Thursday, November 03, 2005

 

Fashions for European Americans, Part III


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Here is yet another photograph of Lamb as she stood in the backyard of the Bakersfield house that once belonged to her mother's lover and posed in a tee shirt that read the words 'Scottish Pride'.  This picture was taken during much happier times as evidenced by her infectious smile and spunky-looking pose.  However, the twins have been weeping more than ever since the televised interview on the ABC network.  Read all about it here

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You can thank idiots like Jenab and Oskar Yeager for pumping them up with the ridiculous notion that national attention of that kind would get them playing arena shows instead of predictably turning them into despised public laughing stocks.
 
Just as CelticWolf88 had typed in one of his/her latest blog entries: "I guess she forgot that most people HATE racists." He was referring to their mother, who agreed to the interview and thrust the twins into the limelight at their own peril.
 
Wow, I change my mind. These girls are not pretty at all--their expressions make them look "challenged" or is it just me?
 
Did you guys see Inside Edition on Thursday, November 3rd? The girls dad finally spoke up. He said he was going to try and get full custody of them. He said he had "no idea" the girls were doing such music.

Hmmm...somehow that rings a bit false. I mean, how could teenagers keep making a cd quiet?
 
He meant: "I had no idea that insane bitch would take this shit THAT far, and embarass me on national television before."
 
If he really said that, I'm confused.

According to an old interview with April, she claimed PB'S real dad was a life long racist, and he fully supported them.

April broke up with him because he was an addict, but was supposedly clean and supportive of them now.

Also he is a musician himself, and one of the girls mentioned wanting to perform with him sometime, so it seems he would have to know what they were up to.
 
Ah, who knows. He told a story about them waiting in line for a ride at Disneyland and a black family was in line in front of them. The girls were fawning over the black baby.

Perhaps he is just ticked he isn't getting his 15 minutes of fame also.
 
None of these people are stable or rational. You need to take that into account when listening to them.
 
April Gaede has to be the worst mother in history. First she brings her daughters to skinhead concerts where there is plenty of alcohol and fights.

She then gets them involved in a war with other neo nazis. After the drama starts dying down with them she then parades them in front of the media wanting a backlash.

What will April Gaede do next to her daughters. I hate to imagine how low she will go for attention.
 
Considering April Gaede's father is a hardcore Neo-Nazi she was likely indoctrinated with the same values she has given to her children. It's a vivious cycle.

One of the greatest examples of this that I have seen was on a history special about the Klan. At or near the end of the program they showed a Klan rally in which this shaggy bearded Grandpa Klansmen walked around the membership holding a little baby in his arms giving a preach about how the child was a white baby and therefore the most beautiful thing in the world. The baby was dressed in a Klan suit, asleep completely oblivious to what was going on. The old man went on to tell the members that the child was an example of how their values will survive from generation to generation. He was ofcourse speaking of the indoctrination. My stomach churned at the thought that a seemingly innocent baby that could grow up to be anything they wanted to be would one day be dressed in Klan garb as an adult delivering the same speech with a baby in their arms.

This is simply the harsh reality of radical ideologies like White Nationalism. They carry their message of hate through their offspring.
 
I think its a little late for 'Daddy Dear' to want to try to straighten his kids out. I dont see any court in the nation handing him the kids because both parents are racists. He might have a shot if he got out.
 
http://www.insideedition.com/lib/images/shows/40/110305-twins-father.jpg


FATHER'S FURY
How do two pretty little girls become mouthpieces for a movement based on hate? It is a question that agonizes one man in California because the twins who some call the Nazi twins are his daughters. Inside Edition spoke exclusively with the father who says he wants to get full custody of his girls.

Bwa-ha-ha!!!

(oh, sorry)
 
I cant find the story but if anyone has a link that would be great. April Gaede should be jailed for what she has done to those kids. Foster care will be alot better for the girls. Plaus they will need a lot of deprogramming.
 
We only know April GAEDE's assessment of the father's character. In fact, her promiscuity alone would be enough to convince most judges to award custody to the father, let alone her neo-Nazi connections. The exposure of them on national television would certainly help the dad's case.
 
www.aprilgaede.com shows the truth on her
 
April Gaede is a site telling the truth on April Gaede
 
The promiscuity is really no big deal.

No one is alleging it took place inside of her marriages.

You get divorced, now your on the dating scene again, shopping around until you find a compatible mate.

Everyone does it, and nothing wrong with it.
 
You don't have much experience with custody battles if you're making THAT (false) statement.

When a judge is ruling on the fitness of a parent, promiscuity - especially for women statistically - is considered to be a key precursor of a negative environment for children, particularly girls. It's a VERY big deal.

A girl exposed to a promiscuous parent is much more likely to have a teen pregnancy or contract an STD, for example.

That's particularly true when it's advanced to the point where the parent is bragging about having had sex with all the men in a courtroom or having made $10 per sex act, as the Movement Frauds blog believably claims.

Taken together with the Nazism, it's in the highest degree of probability that all the father has to do is make an accurate case for her promiscuity, and he'll get full custody.

In fact, she may not even get visitation or she may have to be supervised, depending on the judge.
 
April Gaedes promiscuity is grounds enough for the husband to get custody. I guess Byronio thinks the girls should be pregnant at 15 by skinheads who wind up in jail. Then they get pregnant again and start abusing alcohol like most skinhead girls do. Soon enough they will be bragging about their sexual conquests just like their mother.

A judge has to put a stop to this cycle. The girls are only headed for a hard life with a mother like April Gaede.
 
But hasn't April been with Mark now for several years?

With no reports of unfaithfulness to him?

I haven't heard whether the biological father is single or married, but is a judge really going to care about something that happened years ago?

And they are both racist, so what is it going to be, a "She's more racist than me" battle?
 
Um, apparently you haven't been reading - evidently, she's never faithful.
 
take it from someone who knows what its like to loose a child. April's past actions will come back to haunt her. And if the rumors are true that the girls are sexually active now, then he has grounds to take Lamb and Lynx away from April.

Plus with April and Mark not being married.... that will hurt her too. The courts aren't fully going to care whether or not April and Mark are married, they're going to care what kind of lifestyle they are giving these two girls. A 'false' marriage isn't going to look well in the courts, and it will hurt April more in the long run should the twins father decide to call upon all the men she's whored herself out too.
 
I am not a fan of their's by no means but I don't see the harm in wearing a Scottish Pride T-Shirt or Highland Lass.
I really think there is not a problem with having pride with your heritage. I, for one, and very proud of my ethnic heritage (Irish, Black Dutch, Native American). I think since they are white, they get more publicity and it is seen as "evil."
Scenario: What do you think the treatment of a white man would be if he wore a "White Pride" t-shirt to a college campus? Now flip that scenario and put it with a black man wearing a "Black Pride" T-shirt.
Another critique of your site. I think, by your slogan "White just got a little trashier," portrays you to be racist against whites. Maybe you are, but if you aren't and you want to portray it, I would change the slogan.
 
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Then there's their songs intended to recruit children for genocide like Victory Day, with its romanticization of that victory "holy day" of "bloody purges" to "purify the land."
 
To Chris Watson: the creator of this site is a white male from the state of Vermont. He coined the phrase 'White just got a little trashier' and included in the banner.
 
Many historians say the Holocaust never happened, not just a few whack jobs.

Hitler was "Man Of The Year" in Time magazine, before the U.S. propaganda machine went into effect demonizing him, and since the victor writes the history books, the Holocaust is to this day widely believed to have occured, although the term "Holocaust" wasn't even coined as pertaining to WWII until long after the war ended.

Most revisionists have come up with alternative beliefs though.

I find that the people who believe in the Holocaust do not even want revisionism to exist, they just want everyone to accept it as fact, without question.

History is widely a matter of whose vantage point it's being viewed from, and that applies to almost any historical event.

I personally do not know whose side to take on the Holocaust, I would like to see it studied further, with the modern investigative techniques we have available today.
 
To all fellow Prussian Blue fans:

A new 30-minute video is available covering Prussian Blue's performance at the Phoenix, AZ Eurofest on October 15, 2005.

It also shows Holocaust revisionist Fritz Berg, who believes Nazi gassings never happened, and Kevin Strom, leader of National Vanguard.

The video is 59 Megabytes in size.

The event and the video was put out by the Phoenix chapter of National Vanguard.

It is available for download here:

Prussian Blue Phoenix Video
 
The fact remains that April Gaede is a movement has been. She has used her kids too long and the husband is finally stepping in.

Anyone read the quote from April Gaede on Michael O'Sullivan. It looks like she is tired of her husband Mark Harrington already.

April Gaede is a nobody without her daughters gaining the spotlight for her. She has enemies within her own movement that will see her downfall along with the people disgusted by her actions. April has no true friends.

Remember to check out www.aprilgaede.com
 
So Jass, remind us again, what is your role in the White Nationalist Movement? I haven't really been keeping up to date with their little internal wars but I am aware that alot of WNs hate April Gaede themselves. I know you have a blog running but can you give us a brief synopsis of your position in the movement, what your mission is concerning your "Movement Frauds Exposed" blog and what damage the people mentioned have done to the movement?

Oh, and incase anyone missed it here is a link to the ABC Primetime Special on Prussian Blue.

ABC Primetime: Prussian Blue
 
I personally don't think the kids belong with the father.

He was an addict, and so she got custody.

You can't just say "I'm clean now, so I want the kids back"

People have said April has placed her kids in harm's way, by putting them in the spotlight and having people make various illegal threats against them.

But that would be like the law blaming me instead of the mugger for being a crime victim if I chose to walk in a high-crime area late at night, and got mugged.

April may be unpopular with the masses, and with a small percentage of WN'S, but she does not break the law, her children's father has.

Even in the famous horse thru town episode, she sued for false arrest, and was awarded $5,000
 
The only source we have for the claim that he was an addict is Gaede herself.

Furthermore, a parent who's no longer using is less of a danger than a parent who's currently engaging in Gaede's behavior, including putting the girls in the public eye in a dangerously unsympathetic light.

Yes, a parent who puts their child in harm's way is an unfit parent. It doesn't matter that those who potentially victimize them would be breaking the law, not the parent.

A parent is supposed to keep their child AWAY from harm.
 
Many historians say the Holocaust never happened, not just a few whack jobs.
- Actually, not one historian says the Holocaust never happened. Literally, not a single denier has any credentials as a historian, like, say, a PhD in history , an appointment to an academic post, or a single publication in a peer-reviewed academic journal.

David Irving was at one time considered a popular historian - despite never earning a doctorate in history - but his associations with neo-Nazis groups, admittal to being a fascist, history of antisemitic and racist statements, extremely flawed historiography, and eventually censure by a federal court lost him any credibility he ever had.

People with actual credentials find Holocaust denial to be ludicrous bullshit unsupported by evidence promoted by unknowledgeable amateurs who typically happen to be cranky antisemites with connections to racist groups.

Hitler was "Man Of The Year" in Time magazine, before the U.S. propaganda machine went into effect demonizing him
- Uh, Hitler was named 1938 Time Man of the Year because he was the man whom Henry Luce said had "for better or worse, most influenced the events of the preceeding year."

The cover of the issue pictured Hitler playing his "hym of hatred" in a desecrated church as his mutilated victims dangled from a wheel while the Nazi hierachy lookede on laughing.

If you think this signifies Time Magazine's seal of approval of Hitler, you have a screw loose.

and since the victor writes the history books, the Holocaust is to this day widely believed to have occured
- No, because history is a discipline based on the evaluation of evidence, and not just a story someone arbitrarily invents. All the evidence indicates that the Holocaust occurred.

although the term "Holocaust" wasn't even coined as pertaining to WWII until long after the war ended.
- Why exactly is that you feel that the term "Holocaust" would have been invented DURING the war, and not afterwards when what had happened was uncovered and analyzed???

Most revisionists have come up with alternative beliefs though.
- Based on their desire to whitewash the Nazi's crimes.

I find that the people who believe in the Holocaust do not even want revisionism to exist, they just want everyone to accept it as fact, without question.
- No, they want them to look at the obvious evidence, and realize that the denier's bullshit is ridiculous.

Noting how poorly Holocaust denial is doing as an ideology - discredited, with the Journal of the IHR dropping out of print, and the chief intellectual of the movement, David Irving, censured by a federal court - that's exactly what people are doing.

History is widely a matter of whose vantage point it's being viewed from, and that applies to almost any historical event.
- Not really, because, once again, history is a discipline based on the evaluation of evidence, and a study of objective events, the existence of which is the same for everyone.

I personally do not know whose side to take on the Holocaust, I would like to see it studied further, with the modern investigative techniques we have available today.
- It has been - no support has ever been found for the denier's arguments.
 
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Literally, not a single denier has any credentials as a historian, like, say, a PhD in history , an appointment to an academic post, or a single publication in a peer-reviewed academic journal.

Well, Dr. David Duke has a PhD in history.....
 
So, there you go, you're flat out wrong.
 
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marsoult said:

In fact, it's proof that the Holocaust never happened.


Well, at least we agree on that.

He achieved his doctorate at Ukraine's leading university, and defended his dissertation before 12 of the highest level academics in Ukraine at the International University in the MAYP Educational system.
MAYP is the largest university system in the nation of Ukraine with over 51,000 students.

It has UNESCO and the highest Ukranian as well as international academic accreditation.
 
Duke’s dissertation subject was entitled, “Zionism as a Form of Ethnic Supremacism.”


Now, if you honestly think that Duke's dissertation isn't a complete piece of anti-Semitism, you are a bigger embecile than I take you for.

It is amazing what passes for academia in some places.
 
This would be a VERY persuasive argument, except for:

A) The Kiev-based Inter-regional Academy of Personal Management is a business administration school run by a notorious antisemite named Gregory Tchokin, which the state security service has determined to be one of the largest sources of antisemitic material in the nation, and is funded primarily by Arab states that support terrorism.

It's not an academic college; it's a business administration school.

B) His award of a PhD was honorary only, and not the result of a degree program. It was a ceremonial gift, and not an academic diploma.

C) David Duke has claimed to not be a Holocaust denier for quite a few years now.

Otherwise, first rate argumentation, Bryon, really splendid work. *rolls eyes*
 
Interestingly, the university doesn't list Duke among its honorary doctorates:

www.univ.kiev.ua/eng/geninf/doctors.php
 
To Marsoult: Have you read the lyrics to "Aryan Man?" Other than that one little phrase "Turn that fear into hate," it is pretty much a song wanting people to keep pride in their heritage and not be down-trodden just because they are white. I have no doubt that they are racist and all, but I also have no doubt that their music brings a problem to light. We, as people from Europe or European descent are told not to have pride. As I have said, try wearing a "White Pride" t-shirt someday. I also see no difference in their music and some rap that ostracizes white people (Kanye West anyone?)
To amytheist: To me, it does not matter that the creator of the phrase "White just got a little trashier" is white. To me, it is still offensive. I guess it would be considered 'reverse racism,' i.e. racism against one's own race.
 
The whole "Hitler was a good man" is pretty dumb though, I have to agree. Hitler was, by his own standards, an invalid, especially during his latter days. As Eddie Izzard says "He was a mass-murdering f*ckhead, as many important historians have noted." As was Stalin, Pol-Pot, Milosevic, Che Guevara, Castro, the Ottoman Empire,
 
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Well, read the lyrics to their Victory Day and Skinhead Boy songs, which quite specifically refer to their desire for a "holy day" featuring a "bloody purge" to create a racially homogenous nation, and their sexual attraction to violent skinheads, respectively.

"Skinhead boy/Standing fast/Not afraid to kick some ass"
 
I still think that Prussian Blue's racist lyrics pale in comparison to hip/hop in terms of racist material. The only reason that they are getting a lot of publicity is because they are 1. young 2. white 3. their father wants custody. That is my opinion though and I really don't support them.
 
I haven't heard many hip-hoppers call for genocide, personally.
 
Hahahaha, stupid whores. I'm glad they're miserable. I hope they're miserable forever.

Prussian Blue consists of two ugly, pasty, fake bottle-blond twits who can't create music for shit. They are always off-tune, they don't write any of their own music, and they can't even play their instruments correctly. Their voices completely suck, and they sound as if they are chanting - not singing. They are full of hate yet are too stupid to understand anything that comes out of their mouthes - they are only regurgitating everything their ugly fat slutty mother says.
 
Come on--tell us how you really feel!!!

LOL!!

I place the blame squarely on their mother. From what I have read, she has made a concerted effort this past year to get them publicized nationally, with no thought to the backlash that might occur. She wanted their names out there so her position within the organization would be elevated. I'm not so sure it won't turn around and bite her on the butt, so to speak.
 
"I still think that Prussian Blue's racist lyrics pale in comparison to hip/hop in terms of racist material"

Oh? Tell me. How bad do hip-hop lyrics have to be in order to make lyrics promoting GENOCIDE look friendly by comparison?
 
Anyway, I personally find it hard to feel sorry for them. I don't blame anyone that simply says they hate Lamb and Lynx (what ridiculous names!), especially if they are non-white. After all, how could you NOT hate or at least strongly dislike someone who routinely calls you a "mud", among other names, and who promotes the murder of non-whites (don't believe me? Listen to "Victory Day") I don't want them to be killed or raped or beaten. But the fact that they are "in tears" about this does not evoke any pity in me.

They are thirteen. They aren't children anymore and they are only two years younger than I am. They don't really have much of an excuse anymore and in two years when they are as old as I am now, they will have nothing to say in their defense.
 
David Duke does not like to use the term "denier" because it is the language of the white man's enemy.

However he says there are many unanswered questions, including whether or not gassings occurred.

The degree was the result of a degree program indeed, which took about 12 years to complete.

It was not honorary, or ceremonial, it is not like something that Mike Tyson got,but your minds are so closed, it's like speaking to a box of rocks.

You'll keep saying that Zionism is not a form of supremacism, only white nationalists can be supremacists, etc

I would like to hear you name one Jew whom you would label an anti-white, Jewish Supremacist.

You would probably have a hard time just naming one, yet at the same time you'll call every single solitary white nationalist a Jew-hating supremacist.
 
You're extremely gullible, Byron: the degree cannot be part of a twelve-year degree program, because the institution is a BUSINESS ADMINISTRATION school, and not a university accredited to grant graduate degrees in history, despite what you read on Stormfront.

It's simply acting as a diploma mill.
 
"Waiting for the crackers; smuggle; his mug is in the gutters. . . . so we need your participation in the Caucasian assassination; time is wasting. . . . so who is in association with the nigger retaliation; it needs your total cooperation. . . . a confrontation will be fought by the younger generation; because we got determination; all we need is organization";
"Purse Snatchers"; Onyx, All We Got Iz Us,"
"I'm black with a bat, swinging at the head of a honky. . . . The Terrorists about to murder your ass";
"Blow Dem Hoes Up"; The Terrorists, Terror Strikes: Always Bizness Never Personal"
"I kill a devil right now. . . . I say kill whitey all nightey long. . . . I stabbed a fucking Jew with a steeple. . . . I would kill a cracker for nothing, just for the fuck of it. . . . Menace Clan kill a cracker; jack 'em even quicker. . . . catch that devil slipping; blow his fucking brains out";
"Fuck a Record Deal"; Menace Clan, Da Hood, "
Rap doesn't blantantly say "genocide, but from these few examples, it is easy to see that "whitey" is not loved.
 
Since I've seen no evidence that Jews want to take over the world, and rule over non-Jews - and, of course, Ashkenazi Jews consider themselves "white" - the "Jewish supremacist" sobriquet is a misnomer.

As far as Jews that don't like non-Jews, I'd point to most of the ultra-Orthodoxim and especially the racist sects like the Kahane Chai and JDO.
 
Rap doesn't blantantly say "genocide, but from these few examples, it is easy to see that "whitey" is not loved.

Since only a very small segment of rap is racist & violent, you shouldn't refer to rap collectively as exemplifying attitudes like this.
 
What I meant by "pales in comparison" is that rap is more accepted and mainstream and by the lyrics above, the lyrics are as violent. I am aware of a few white supremacicist bands but none of those have the standing in the mainstream as rap.
 
I didn't say all rap is like this, but anti-white lyrics are quite prevalent in rap. Those few lyrics were just a small sample out of the many songs that call for beating up or killing "whitey."
 
But Chris,(that nutcase Kabon doesn't sing rap), most rap is not calling for the extermination of entire races. And, it is not being sung in songs written by the mom of 13 year old girls and then attributing it to the youngsters.
 
And is hardly aimed at recruiting children, who are generally without money for CDs.
 
I didn't say most rap music calls for violence against white people. What I am saying is that the rap that does call for it is more accepted than other racist material and therefor is more plentiful than pro-white/anti-other race music. Think about it. A rapper calls for the beating and killing of white people and no one bats an eye and the rapper sells a million records. These girls, while racist, barely sell a thousand and are quickly marginalized by the media and society. Why aren't we marginalizing racist-rap that quickly? I have yet to see a big news story on that.
 
mainstream rap does not usually promote genocide. I have never heard of any of those "artists" you mentioned. Rappers such as 50 cent and other shite in the same category do not generally promote genocide, even if they promote other bad ideas.

Furthermore, rap in general does not promote genocide although a few rappers do, just as rock or folk in general do not promote anti-white genocide though a few folk/rock singers (e.g.-Skrewdriver, Max Resist and of course, Prussian Blue) do.

You can't lump mainstream rappers with the rappers who promote genocide just as you can't lump Prussian Blue or Skrewdriver with ordinary rockers or folk singers.
 
NWA was mainstream. Kanye West is mainstream (just look at his video "Blood Diamonds" and you'll see that blacks are blameless while whites are evil). It is the classic double-standard in society. Dr. Dre can talk about "it's time to rob and mob and break the white man off something lovely" an not be ostracized. Racist lyrics in rap are accepted and not marginalized just as a speech by black activist Kamau Kambon calling for the "extermination of whites" wasn't marginalized or even reported on the major networks.
And if beating and killing whites is not about genocide, then what is it? To me, Prussian Blue is not much of a news story nor is it as much of a threat to society as are various mainstream rap. I would almost hazard to say that Prussian Blue's lyrics are reactionary to certain problems confronting our society today.
 
Well, we probably wouldn't be even having this conversation if the girl's mom hadn't contacted the press about her girls. And, if mom hadn't had the girls dance around a swastika. Or, had them say it was fun to kill blacks and Mexicans and Jews in a video game called Ethnic Cleansing . Or, taught them Revisionist history and allowed them to say inane things on national television. Or wrote songs about killing other races or about glorifying Rudolf Hess and Dr. Pierce,a man who called for locking Jews into railroad cattle cars and sending them to the bottoms of abandoned coal mines.
 
Pretty much ALL of those cites are very old as well, hailing back to the early 90s at the very least - the heydey of gangsta.
 
I would almost hazard to say that Prussian Blue's lyrics are reactionary to certain problems confronting our society today .

Like the presence of blacks and Jews???

Also, simply beating white people isn't necessarily genocide, unless it's part of a plan to systematically eliminate them from society.
 
I think it might be reactionary to percieved decay and the forcing of political correctness in society. I am not saying it is the right reaction but in sociological terms, it looks reactionary.
Where did you hear that the mother contacted the press?
Also, violence against a particular race is still wrong and hateful. Genocide is just the next step really. Just look at black activist Kamau Kambon.
True, the quotes are old, but they are still racist and accepted more than Prussian Blue ever will be.
 
Where did you hear that the mother contacted the press?
I read something she wrote online where she was talking about how she was strategically deciding who she should allow to do interviews.

Kambon is a kook, for sure!
 
They WEREN'T really accepted, and there were huge outcries of protest over violence and racism in gangsta rap, calls for parental labelling and censorship, etc.

What Prussian Blue is now experiencing is a similar wave of criticism, and rightfully so.

BTW, it's slightly ridiculous to think that blacks making up 12% of the US population could ever commit "genocide" against white people.
 
In the 1970s, there were waves of violence against whites in Cali in which blacks killed 270 people in an effort to exterminate whites. Not much, but there was an effort.
Besides, because of low birth-rates and the refusal to think of themselves as an ethnic group, whites will be their own cause of disapearance.
 
In the 1970s, there were waves of violence against whites in Cali in which blacks killed 270 people in an effort to exterminate whites. Not much, but there was an effort.
Besides, because of low birth-rates and the refusal to think of themselves as an ethnic group, whites will be their own cause of disapearance.
I guess the girls' mom subscribes to the Abercrombie and Paris Hilton style of advertising. Any publicity is good.
I want to know, is there any problem in being proud of your ancestors and ethinicity if you are white? Just a general question for all.
 
The white birth rate is still above replacement, particularly when you consider Hispanic Caucasians.

I'd also like to see some documentation of these 270 killed in California in the 70s as part of a program of systematic extermination.
 
What does it mean to "be proud of being white?" Is it something different than hating non-whites, or some kind of general "pride?"

It seems to me that all of the people I've encountered that claimed to be "proud of being white" were actually attacking non-whites, as in Stormfront and VNN.
 
I personally see nothing wrong with being proud of the country your ancestors were from, or who they were. (Actually, I think I'd rather forget some of my more nefarious ones.) I really like going to Greek festivals, Celtic weekends, Bavarian beer-fests, etc. But, to be proud just because I'm white? Nah, not happening!
 
I think it is a general pride. I am proud to be white, while I don't think that makes me better than any of my friends. I am just aware of my ethnic heritage and am proud of it. It has nothing to do with hating other races. Maybe the majority of non-racist whites should come out about their ethnic heritage.
I was talking mainly about Europeans. The birthrates are low.
What I was talking about on the blacks killing white in the 1970s is called the Zebra murders. My numbers were completely off (research better next time:) It was 71 people who were killed by this cult that was affiliated with the Nation of Islam who wanted to exterminate all white people.
 
Isn't a bit of difference between taking pride in the culture of parent's ancestral nationality, and taking pride in the color of your skin?
 
It's simply very strange to hear people that command the overwhelming majority of the public talk about the need to take "pride" in their ethnicity.

White people are 70% of society.It's typically minorities that need that kind of ego boost.
 
Why is it not weird to see "Black pride" or "latin pride?" I mean, skin color is hardely a reason to be a "brother" to someone else, yet we see it.
I personally don't think it is wierd, but is almost neccessary for Euro-Americans to have pride in themselves. No, I don't relate to other whites just because I am white, but if I share a heritage similar to their's, it is pretty cool.
I think the "ego boost" for minorities has become a reason to degrade white people just for being white. I say, be proud and hold on to your heritage, whoever you are. This is why I do not see that wearing a shirt proclaiming "Scottish Pride" as a bad thing.
 
Why is it not weird to see "Black pride" or "latin pride?"

Because they're highly stigmatized social groups subjected to demeaning sterotyping and regular discrimination.

That's not exactly true of white people in our country. Those groups need "pride" to counteract scorn and derision directed at them by majorities.

I think the "ego boost" for minorities has become a reason to degrade white people just for being white.

70% of society has been "degraded" just for being white? Hard to believe?

This is why I do not see that wearing a shirt proclaiming "Scottish Pride" as a bad thing.

I'm not saying that it is.
 
How many times in different videos and shows are white people seen as the buffoon or even worse, a redneck racist and compared to a minority? Now, flip that and how many times is a minority seen as an idiot when compared to a white person? White are subjected as well. The only difference is that white people accept it and don't say anything about it. White people are now the butt of many a joke. I also find it appalling that anyone can say "honkey" (not around me though) and no one cares yet the n-word is treated as the plague (unless you are black). If a white makes a racial slur, he/she is condemned to no end yet a minority can say just about anything they want in terms of race and no one says a thing.
The "pride" thing was good, but then it turned into "hating the white guy" which, of course, is not good.
I am not trying to act like whites are saints in American history but the way to social equality is not to demean the whites of present day.
 
Wow, Chris. You are beginning to sound just like some of the debaters from stormfront. Are you sure you aren't already turned? ;-)
 
Last I checked, I am not a white-supremecist. :)
I don't believe in the superiority of one race above another, I am proud of my grandfather's service against Hitler, and many of my friends are not white.
What exactly is Stormfront? I gather that it is a racist group, but that is about it.
But I believe in equality for everyone and I say, if it is wrong to spout racial slurs, it is wrong for everyone .
 
Well, I agree it is wrong for everyone. I looked up some information from the DOJ. Did you know that 60% of hate crimes target blacks? Whites are targetted 30%, Hispanics 6.7 and Asians 3%. Most hate crime offenders are between the ages of 11 and 31. That is sad.

Yes, stormfront is a site for racists. They are very good at providing propaganda information. They had a good teacher..."the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."Hermann Goering at Nuremberg on 18th April, 1946

Hopefully you can see the forest for the trees.

btw, I don't think you'll get that bronze statue unless you change your story to "I didn't inhale."
 
Yeah, I hope you were joking there, fragglerock, because I don't see how Chris sounded supremacist-y! I totally agree; I'm all for equality, meaning that White people should also be spared of ridicule and racism. I get a lot of crap for saying stuff like that, though, and I'm not even *close* to White. I can't even imagine what people would say if I was. ;) OMG BIGOT?!

Stormfront is a discussion forum for White Nationalists. I think it's half-amusing, half-depressing (particularly when you find a poster who lives in your hometown or something).
 
What is used to clarify a "hate crime" and is is used equally across the board? I just wonder because numbers can be manipulated more than words. (A professor once told me that.) Example, you say that 60% of hate crimes target blacks and 30% whites. First, it is assumed but no stated who targetted the blacks. Was this white on black, black on black (weird but possible), Asian on black, etc? If it is white on black and vice versa, then it does not say a lot considering black account for 12% of the population yet, by the assumed statistics, they would account for the 30% hate crimes on whites (hypothetically). Of course, other races have to be accounted so we can't really assume that it was all blacks who committed the "hate crime" on whites just as it can't be assumed that whites committed the 60% on blacks.

But I did inhale. I went to Amsterdam. Who doesn't inhale there??
 
BTW: It is not only nations who can "learn" from the Nazi. I am sure various groups have used that tool too. I mean, look at Jesse Jackson. The man makes millions off of the rift. He has no reason to unite and solve the problems because then, he wouldn't make the money.
 
How many times in different videos and shows are white people seen as the buffoon or even worse, a redneck racist and compared to a minority? Now, flip that and how many times is a minority seen as an idiot when compared to a white person?

I don't know - how many times? I haven't seen hard data concerning this, and find it hard to believe that whites are so disproportionately maligned.

I can think of MANY stereotypical, demeaning portrayals of minorities on television, and if there are more such depictions of whites - and, of course, what is demeaning is highly subjective - it's probably proportionate to the far higher rates of presentation of whites as characters as opposed to minorities.

Sorry, but I don't buy this argument at all.
 
To tell you the truth, I haven't the time to count the depictions of white people as being stupid and racist. I am about to graduate, finally. Can you think of any current depictions of minorities that put them in a bad light? I certainly can't. That is probably because the ACLU, NAACP and others would be up in arms about it. You don't have to buy it, but just note that the argument is there.
And you are right when concerning what is exactly demeaning. That is the question that needs to be answered. Where does the judgement of the individual end and the stereotype of an entire group of people begin?
 
Can you think of any current depictions of minorities that put them in a bad light? I certainly can't.

That's a matter of opinion - I had roommates who considered many of the portrayals of minorities on shows like Hangin' with Mr. Cooper and most of the shows on the WB and UPN very demeaning to minorities, even when the shows were produced by minorities (although most black shows on the UPN and WB aren't).

That is probably because the ACLU, NAACP and others would be up in arms about it.

The ACLU tries civil rights cases, and doesn't generally concern itself with the portrayal of minorities on television.

In fact, I don't recall the NAACP ever saying anything during the 70s and 80s about demeaning portrayals of blacks on shows like Good Times and 227. Few civil rights groups do. They have more substantial issues to worrry about.

Where does the judgement of the individual end and the stereotype of an entire group of people begin?

Very tough to define, but the truth is, most of us know when it's egregious.

Even Bill White, for example, picked up on the Ferengis on Star Trek signifying "the Space Jew."
 
Kamandi:

If I encourage my kids to become police officers, are you going to advocate they be taken away from me, for putting them in "harm's way?"

Basically WN'S are like citizen police officers, legally trying to protect society.
 
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If I encourage my kids to become police officers, are you going to advocate they be taken away from me, for putting them in "harm's way?"
If you encourage your children to become police officers at age 12, I'll advocate for your psychiatric incarceration.

Basically WN'S are like citizen police officers, legally trying to protect society.
More self-appointed little stormtroopers trying to evict everyone they're prejudiced against from society out of bigotry and ignorance. That's their idea of "protection."

Police officers UPHOLD society's laws, and PREVENT harm, instead of proselytizing for selective protections and differentiated harm.
 
Maybe WNs are the Burmese, Soviet, and Nazi police officers.
 
What the heck are WNs?
Also, by law, a police officer does not have to prevent anything. They are a reactionary force which means they arrest those who break the law. That is their job. This is why you should rely on yourself to protect yourself in times of crisis.
Of course, that really has nothing to do with this debate though.
 
WNs are "white nationalists"; i.e., racists.

Also, your reading of the law is slightly faulty - police officers ARE charged with protecting the public and preventing crime.

However, according to the SCOTUS's ruling, you can't SUE the state if a police officer fails to protect you. Typically, police departments discipline police officers who are negligent in protecting citizens, though.
 
As an American Jewish/ Russian/ Lithuanian/ Portugese/ Welsh girl, I would honestly strangle these two ignorant trashy moronic hateful piles of shit, if I ever ran into them.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:American_band_Prussian_Blue.jpg

Compare earlier photos to current photos. And click on the above link. Notice the dramatic hair color change? See those dark roots? THEY AREN'T NATURAL ARYANS! They don't naturally fit Hitler's blond/blue eyed ideal! I bet they are just wearing blue contacts, too! They may even be Jewish! I smell a conspiracy.
 
WOW!! i never thought of it that way. And I'm wondering if they are even really twins. I mean faternial twins usually share some of the characteristics to show that they are twins, but these girls don't really show it. Is it possible that these little twits aren't even twins?
 
Um, no - they were born on the same day in June '92. They're, however, not identical twins.
 
I'm sure they are really twins. The question is are they really blonde?

The roots do indeed look dark and April and the girl's biological father don't appear to have naturally blonde hair, although I'm not sure what April's real color is.

You can usually tell a naturally blonde girl by the hair on the rest of her body.....such as her eyebrows!

I've known very few girls I knew to have naturally blonde hair but this is a consistent observation. I even knew a German-American girl in School who had bright blonde hair all throughout highschool, every single day but in middle school she had "dirty blonde" hair.

I base this on the observation that people I knew to be natural redheads, blondes and even white haired Albinos had a consistent hair color that went beyond the top of their head.

I hear some men can have brown hair and reddish beards but generally the natural hair on a person's head is consistent with the rest of their body.
 
As a Eurasian girl (oh they would DEFINITELY hate me, likely more than they hate pure-blooded non-whites) I should feel intense hatred towards them. After all, on that "bloody but holy day" (thank god it won't happen) they so joyfully anticipate my "mongrel" blood would likely be the first to be spilled, given the hatred that WNs have for race-mixers and their offspring.

But I don't hate them. Not yet anyway. However, it pisses me off when they say "We don't hate anyone!" in that flippant, whiney tone they use so often. Why can't they just be honest for a change? No one buys their pseudo PC bullshit anyway.
 
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The truth is, they may not be aware of how they feel at this developmental stage.

Until the Piagetian formal operational stage is achieved, children often don't hold true convictions, and much of what they claim to believe to be "true" is simply a reflection of their environment.

Prior to that crux, they rarely consistently apply ideology, and will often contradict themselves.
 
Lynx and Lamb claim to not hate Non-Whites because they've been raised to believe their ideology is not about hatred.

But as far as WNs in general are concerned the truth is that deception and dishonesty are simply a part of their character.

They will promote their ideology by any means necessary and if they have to tell you a million times their movement is not about hate for you to believe them, that is what they are going to do.
 
There is no question. They dye their hair. Compare (at least on Lynx) the dirty blond, almost red/brown hair to the bright blond she has now. And just look for some current photos - you can always see dark roots.

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Their hair color changes only because they are very heavy into swimming, are on the swim team, and so their hair is subject to harsh chemicals, ( Chlorine ) and the sun.

I don't understand how anyone in their right mind could consider it "hate" to simply want to live apart from people who are not like themselves.

I believe WN'S when they say they do not hate.

I do not consider myself a WN, simply because I am not politically active, but it's no different than saying non-whites hate whites by forcing themselves into our living spaces.
 
Byronio, you don't have a living space. You are the citizen of a country and the only space you have a right to is your own property.

I have seen enough of White nationalism to know that the vast majority of them are two faced hatemongers, who not only embrace their hate of non-whites but are obsessed with it. Their mentality borders on mental illness.

Take one of the speakers of White Revolution. I saw a video of one of their rallies where they protested Brwon vs. Board on the grounds of a local school. The fool was so severly demented that when it came to the subject of Blacks he slurred them and called them his kin at the same time.

One minute the man was calling Black people jungle animals, porch monkeys, the N-Word and other vulgar terms and then when talking about American aide saving the lives of millions in Africa as an example of what black people owe them he turned around and shouted to the protestors many of whom were Black,

"You're wronging use my brothers!!!!!"

Dehumanizing people and then calling them your brothers?

If that isn't an example of a disturbed mind then I don't know what is.

I was a moderator on MootStormfront for several months and had access to the reputation system. When members of the Phora poured into our page you could tell who was exhibiting a fake personality by the way they spoke hatefully to each other when they were patting each other on the back through reps. Slurring other members they were being polite to and what not, it was just a prime example of what people say to their face and what they really think.

If they are that two faced on the internet and in interviews why is it so hard to understand that they likely express more hatred in private or amongst friends?
 
Well, because I'm not 13.

You can say that PB doesn't know the meaning of hate, but you can't say that about me, and I'm a lot older.

What is hate to me is all of the WN boards, forums, and web sites being hacked, spammed with porn, etc., under the guise of "fighting evil racism"

Whenever there is a klan rally, or a NSM rally it usually starts off peaceful until some frothing at the mouth homo starts something.

So which side are the true haters?
 
What antiracists don't like is WN actions - WNs hate whole ethnicities irrevocably regardless of what those individuals do. Antiracists don't hate WNs simply for existing.

That's because WN behavior is motivated by prejudice, while antiracist behavior is rational.
 
White nationalism is what white nationalists do. Nuff said.
 
No, because essentially white nationalists do nothing but post on the Net & occasionally hold rallies where they get drunk & spew racial slurs.
 
The only rallies I've been to where racial slurs are even used are the ones with whites only present.
 
"The only rallies I've been to where racial slurs are even used are the ones with whites only present."

That doesn't change a thing. Furthermore, it shows us that you're cowards.
 
byronoi:

Do you think the Whites were using racial slurs in Toledo?
 
You probably just don't realize they're slurs, Byron.
 
"Basically WN'S are like citizen police officers, legally trying to protect society."

I don't know about 'legally trying to protect society', but the Aryan Brotherhood protects white guys from getting gang raped and passed around in prison, which is a very racial issue. I guess white power tats could get you put into protective custody when you get pinched. It isn't about the '14 words'with these guys, but at least it's something, right?
 
I dunno, I've heard rumors that the Aryan Brotherhood solicit protection for sexual favors themselves and sometimes intimidate White inmates into joining them though beating and sexual assault. Ever seen the movie the Butterfly Effect?
 
I've seen The Butterfly Effect, and from what I gather, there is some truth in the skinhead characters.

What you said about the Aryan Brotherhood makes sense, too. These inmates have a choice: they can suck a few guys off every now and then for protection, or get gang raped by many other guys all the time.

When some people see skinheads, they often wonder whether or not they've been in prison and what happened to them while they were in there. It's not an unusual chain of reasoning.They want to look intimidating, but they end up just looking like victims.
 
Byronio, KVAIT!!!! I vont you to licken meinen boots!!!! JA!!! You vill likk my boots...
 
Propaganda if you ask me and rather sad how much people get sucked in to it. Sure, it is peppered with truth (we aren't protecting our borders and we are losing jobs to other countries) but it is also highly exaggerated. National Vanguard can claim that they aren't about Hate, just like Prussian Blue but the reality is when praise mass murderers, like Adolf Hitler what do you think educated & informed people will believe?

As for the twins, to truly be proud you have to make a choice to do so and that involves education and information. If you are only getting information being force fed to you with one belief that is not truly being educated or informed. It doesn't surprise me that these kids have been pulled out of public school. (Even though public school for the most part isn't doing our children justice) It's just sad that they don't have the same access to information that other kids do to truly make their own choices. We'll see where they are 5 or even 10 years from now and if they still feel the same way.
 
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